FYI: HTC ExtUSB connector and USB cables

[John Navas]

Although the latest HTC handsets use a standard Micro USB connection,
some earlier HTC handsets (e.g., T-Mobile myTouch 3G, aka HTC Magic)
used a proprietary HTC "ExtUSB" connection.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extusb#Proprietary_connectors_and_formats>

Although ExtUSB cables tend to be harder to find, with fewer varieties,
and more expensive than standard USB cables, the ExtUSB connector is
backward compatible with Mini USB, which means a standard Mini USB cable
will work for charge and sync functions. The extra pins in ExtUSB are
only for (analog) audio and video.

Caveat: Standard Mini USB connectors, especially cheap ones, don't fit
as snugly and securely in HTC ExtUSB sockets as ExtUSB connectors.

[Justin]

Post by John Navas
Although the latest HTC handsets use a standard Micro USB connection,
some earlier HTC handsets (e.g., T-Mobile myTouch 3G, aka HTC Magic)
used a proprietary HTC "ExtUSB" connection.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extusb#Proprietary_connectors_and_formats>
Although ExtUSB cables tend to be harder to find, with fewer varieties,
and more expensive than standard USB cables, the ExtUSB connector is
backward compatible with Mini USB, which means a standard Mini USB cable
will work for charge and sync functions. The extra pins in ExtUSB are
only for (analog) audio and video.
Caveat: Standard Mini USB connectors, especially cheap ones, don't fit
as snugly and securely in HTC ExtUSB sockets as ExtUSB connectors.

Mini or micro USB?

The incredible had a weird shaped port, but micro USB fits it...

[John Navas]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:34:24 +0000 (UTC), Justin

Post by Justin

Post by John Navas
Although the latest HTC handsets use a standard Micro USB

connection,

Post by Justin

Post by John Navas
some earlier HTC handsets (e.g., T-Mobile myTouch 3G, aka HTC Magic)
used a proprietary HTC "ExtUSB" connection.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extusb#Proprietary_connectors_and_formats

Post by Justin

Post by John Navas
Although ExtUSB cables tend to be harder to find, with fewer

varieties,

Post by Justin

Post by John Navas
and more expensive than standard USB cables, the ExtUSB connector is
backward compatible with Mini USB, which means a standard Mini USB cable
will work for charge and sync functions. The extra pins in

ExtUSB are

Post by Justin

Post by John Navas
only for (analog) audio and video.
Caveat: Standard Mini USB connectors, especially cheap ones,

don't fit

Post by Justin

Post by John Navas
as snugly and securely in HTC ExtUSB sockets as ExtUSB connectors.

Mini or micro USB?
The incredible had a weird shaped port, but micro USB fits it...

Mini (not Micro)

--
John
[sent from my Android mobile with Groundhog Usenet Reader]

[John Navas]

For all of you who agree that gaming on the Android has thus far been
nothing to write about, there’s some good news at last. Sony Ericsson,
has a ‘gaming smartphone’ in the works which will also revolutionize
Google’s operating system (Android!) as you know it.

...

The device has been described as a hybrid of the Samsung Captivate and
the PSP Go – which basically means that it is a landscape slider in
terms of form factor and has game controls instead of the conventional
QWERTY keypad.

MORE:
<http://blogote.com/2010/android/gaming-smartphone-sony-ericsson-with-android-3-0.html>

[John Navas]

Oracle Corp.'s legal action against Google Inc. reverberated through
Silicon Valley, prompting fears that court battles over Java software
may spread beyond cellphones to other tech sectors.

The suit filed by Oracle Thursday alleges Google infringed patents and
copyrights through its use of Java software in Android, the free Google
operating system that has become a hit in the latest smartphones. The
suit seeks damages and an injunction.

MORE:
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703321004575427710931993950.html>

[John Navas]

Apple has recently hired Benjamin Vigier as its new product manager for
mobile commerce. According to LinkedIn, Vigier joined Apple in July
2010. He is an expert in near field communications (NFC), working in the
field since 2004.

His most recent position was as a product manager for mFoundry, a mobile
wallet, payment and NFC at US mobile payments specialist. There he
conceived and managed both the PayPal Mobile service and Starbucks'
barcode-based mobile payments service.

He was also responsible for the development of mobile wallet
applications for two top US mobile network operators and an NFC wallet
application for a top three US bank.

MORE:
<http://www.examiner.com/tech-gear-in-san-francisco/apple-hires-near-field-communications-nfc-expert-mobile-commerce-coming-soon-to-iphone-1>
or <http://goo.gl/6njz>

[Larry]

Post by John Navas
Apple has recently hired Benjamin Vigier as its new product manager
for mobile commerce. According to LinkedIn, Vigier joined Apple in
July 2010. He is an expert in near field communications (NFC), working
in the field since 2004.
His most recent position was as a product manager for mFoundry, a
mobile wallet, payment and NFC at US mobile payments specialist. There
he conceived and managed both the PayPal Mobile service and Starbucks'
barcode-based mobile payments service.
He was also responsible for the development of mobile wallet
applications for two top US mobile network operators and an NFC wallet
application for a top three US bank.
<http://www.examiner.com/tech-gear-in-san-francisco/apple-hires-near-fi
eld-communications-nfc-expert-mobile-commerce-coming-soon-to-iphone-1>
or <http://goo.gl/6njz>

Will Ipad/Iphone owners all have to have chips injected into their necks
before the goddamned shitphones will dial out?

That's coming, people.....just wait. You read it here, first!

[News]

Post by Larry

Post by John Navas
Apple has recently hired Benjamin Vigier as its new product manager
for mobile commerce. According to LinkedIn, Vigier joined Apple in
July 2010. He is an expert in near field communications (NFC), working
in the field since 2004.
His most recent position was as a product manager for mFoundry, a
mobile wallet, payment and NFC at US mobile payments specialist. There
he conceived and managed both the PayPal Mobile service and Starbucks'
barcode-based mobile payments service.
He was also responsible for the development of mobile wallet
applications for two top US mobile network operators and an NFC wallet
application for a top three US bank.
<http://www.examiner.com/tech-gear-in-san-francisco/apple-hires-near-fi
eld-communications-nfc-expert-mobile-commerce-coming-soon-to-iphone-1>
or <http://goo.gl/6njz>

Will Ipad/Iphone owners all have to have chips injected into their necks
before the goddamned shitphones will dial out?
That's coming, people.....just wait. You read it here, first!

Watch the fanbois willingly line up for 'em.

[George Kerby]

On 8/17/10 7:03 AM, in article

Post by News

Post by Larry

Post by John Navas
Apple has recently hired Benjamin Vigier as its new product manager
for mobile commerce. According to LinkedIn, Vigier joined Apple in
July 2010. He is an expert in near field communications (NFC), working
in the field since 2004.
His most recent position was as a product manager for mFoundry, a
mobile wallet, payment and NFC at US mobile payments specialist. There
he conceived and managed both the PayPal Mobile service and Starbucks'
barcode-based mobile payments service.
He was also responsible for the development of mobile wallet
applications for two top US mobile network operators and an NFC wallet
application for a top three US bank.
<http://www.examiner.com/tech-gear-in-san-francisco/apple-hires-near-fi
eld-communications-nfc-expert-mobile-commerce-coming-soon-to-iphone-1>
or <http://goo.gl/6njz>

Will Ipad/Iphone owners all have to have chips injected into their necks
before the goddamned shitphones will dial out?
That's coming, people.....just wait. You read it here, first!

Watch the fanbois willingly line up for 'em.

You too. STAT!!!

[Justin]

Post by News

Post by Larry

Post by John Navas
Apple has recently hired Benjamin Vigier as its new product manager
for mobile commerce. According to LinkedIn, Vigier joined Apple in
July 2010. He is an expert in near field communications (NFC), working
in the field since 2004.
His most recent position was as a product manager for mFoundry, a
mobile wallet, payment and NFC at US mobile payments specialist. There
he conceived and managed both the PayPal Mobile service and Starbucks'
barcode-based mobile payments service.
He was also responsible for the development of mobile wallet
applications for two top US mobile network operators and an NFC wallet
application for a top three US bank.
<http://www.examiner.com/tech-gear-in-san-francisco/apple-hires-near-fi
eld-communications-nfc-expert-mobile-commerce-coming-soon-to-iphone-1>
or <http://goo.gl/6njz>

Will Ipad/Iphone owners all have to have chips injected into their necks
before the goddamned shitphones will dial out?
That's coming, people.....just wait. You read it here, first!

Watch the fanbois willingly line up for 'em.

Wasn't this a Futurama episode recently?

[Steve Sobol]

Post by Justin

Post by News

Post by Larry
That's coming, people.....just wait. You read it here, first!

Watch the fanbois willingly line up for 'em.

Wasn't this a Futurama episode recently?

Sure was; "Attack of the Killer App."

It was the second brand-new episode of the season.

--Steve (Futurama geek)

[SMS]

On 16/08/10 8:16 PM, Larry wrote:

<snip>

Post by Larry
Will Ipad/Iphone owners all have to have chips injected into their necks
before the goddamned shitphones will dial out?

It's always about monetizing the platform. Google is doing the same
thing, even though they aren't the ones selling the Android devices.

Saw my first iPad yesterday, my neighbor's kid had one.

I asked the mom about it and she said her friend had bought the non-3G
iPad when it first came out, then wanted the 3G model when it came out,
so she traded her the old non-3G model for a Louis Vuitton purse. Very
cool device. The kid had already figured out how to use it, and the kid
is only 3. The analysts were right. This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player. Pretty funny on the
drawing app she was using that you erase the screen by shaking the iPad
like an Etch a Sketch.

[alt.cellular.cingular removed, Cingular no longer exists.]

[John Navas]

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:29:51 -0700, in

Post by SMS
<snip>

Post by Larry
Will Ipad/Iphone owners all have to have chips injected into their necks
before the goddamned shitphones will dial out?

It's always about monetizing the platform. Google is doing the same
thing, even though they aren't the ones selling the Android devices.
Saw my first iPad yesterday, my neighbor's kid had one.
I asked the mom about it and she said her friend had bought the non-3G
iPad when it first came out, then wanted the 3G model when it came out,
so she traded her the old non-3G model for a Louis Vuitton purse. Very
cool device. The kid had already figured out how to use it, and the kid
is only 3. The analysts were right. This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player. ...

Must have? Replace a $100 DVD player with a $500 iToy?
You must be oblivious to the current economic situation.

[nospam]

Post by John Navas

Post by SMS
Saw my first iPad yesterday, my neighbor's kid had one.
I asked the mom about it and she said her friend had bought the non-3G
iPad when it first came out, then wanted the 3G model when it came out,
so she traded her the old non-3G model for a Louis Vuitton purse. Very
cool device. The kid had already figured out how to use it, and the kid
is only 3. The analysts were right. This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player. ...

Must have? Replace a $100 DVD player with a $500 iToy?

ignoring the jab, how well does a dvd player get email, read ebooks,
play games, etc.? the entire family can use it.

Post by John Navas
You must be oblivious to the current economic situation.

you must be oblivious to the popularity of an ipad.

[Richard B. Gilbert]

Post by nospam

Post by John Navas

Post by SMS
Saw my first iPad yesterday, my neighbor's kid had one.
I asked the mom about it and she said her friend had bought the non-3G
iPad when it first came out, then wanted the 3G model when it came out,
so she traded her the old non-3G model for a Louis Vuitton purse. Very
cool device. The kid had already figured out how to use it, and the kid
is only 3. The analysts were right. This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player. ...

Must have? Replace a $100 DVD player with a $500 iToy?

ignoring the jab, how well does a dvd player get email, read ebooks,
play games, etc.? the entire family can use it.

Post by John Navas
You must be oblivious to the current economic situation.

you must be oblivious to the popularity of an ipad.

There must be *some* reason why I don't give a shit about the iPad!!
Maybe because it does not work on Verizon Wireless' system?

I'm also puzzled as to why this is being posted to alt.cellular.verizon.
What's the point?

[John Navas]

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:01:08 -0400, in

Post by Richard B. Gilbert

Post by nospam

Post by John Navas

Post by SMS
Saw my first iPad yesterday, my neighbor's kid had one.
I asked the mom about it and she said her friend had bought the non-3G
iPad when it first came out, then wanted the 3G model when it came out,
so she traded her the old non-3G model for a Louis Vuitton purse. Very
cool device. The kid had already figured out how to use it, and the kid
is only 3. The analysts were right. This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player. ...

Must have? Replace a $100 DVD player with a $500 iToy?

ignoring the jab, how well does a dvd player get email, read ebooks,
play games, etc.? the entire family can use it.

Post by John Navas
You must be oblivious to the current economic situation.

you must be oblivious to the popularity of an ipad.

There must be *some* reason why I don't give a shit about the iPad!!
Maybe because it does not work on Verizon Wireless' system?
I'm also puzzled as to why this is being posted to alt.cellular.verizon.
What's the point?

Speculation that iPhone will be coming to Verizon.

[Owen McKenzie]

Post by John Navas
Speculation that iPhone will be coming to Verizon.
John
"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern's Law of Suspended Judgement]

Posted without comment.

[Justin]

Post by nospam

Post by John Navas

Post by SMS
Saw my first iPad yesterday, my neighbor's kid had one.
I asked the mom about it and she said her friend had bought the non-3G
iPad when it first came out, then wanted the 3G model when it came out,
so she traded her the old non-3G model for a Louis Vuitton purse. Very
cool device. The kid had already figured out how to use it, and the kid
is only 3. The analysts were right. This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player. ...

Must have? Replace a $100 DVD player with a $500 iToy?

ignoring the jab, how well does a dvd player get email, read ebooks,
play games, etc.? the entire family can use it.

How well can an ipad play DVDs?

[John Navas]

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:51:05 +0000 (UTC), in

Post by Justin

Post by nospam

Post by John Navas

Post by SMS
Saw my first iPad yesterday, my neighbor's kid had one.
I asked the mom about it and she said her friend had bought the non-3G
iPad when it first came out, then wanted the 3G model when it came out,
so she traded her the old non-3G model for a Louis Vuitton purse. Very
cool device. The kid had already figured out how to use it, and the kid
is only 3. The analysts were right. This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player. ...

Must have? Replace a $100 DVD player with a $500 iToy?

ignoring the jab, how well does a dvd player get email, read ebooks,
play games, etc.? the entire family can use it.

How well can an ipad play DVDs?

To be fair, you can rent movies from the iTunes store, although you have
only 30 days to watch them, and can only watch them within a 24 hour
window, which can be a problem with kids. I call that an expensive
hassle. YMMV.

You can also buy movies from the iTunes store, but that's much more
expensive than viewing Netflix movies on a cheap DVD player.

Must have? Color me not interested. YMMV.

[Larry]

Post by Justin
How well can an ipad play DVDs?

Just as well as it can print an email to a bluetooth printer.

[Justin]

Post by Larry

Post by Justin
How well can an ipad play DVDs?

Just as well as it can print an email to a bluetooth printer.

Or ANY printer...

[Paul Miner]

Post by nospam

Post by John Navas

Post by SMS
Saw my first iPad yesterday, my neighbor's kid had one.
I asked the mom about it and she said her friend had bought the non-3G
iPad when it first came out, then wanted the 3G model when it came out,
so she traded her the old non-3G model for a Louis Vuitton purse. Very
cool device. The kid had already figured out how to use it, and the kid
is only 3. The analysts were right. This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player. ...

Must have? Replace a $100 DVD player with a $500 iToy?

ignoring the jab, how well does a dvd player get email, read ebooks,
play games, etc.? the entire family can use it.

Post by John Navas
You must be oblivious to the current economic situation.

you must be oblivious to the popularity of an ipad.

My brother won an iPad as a door prize recently. He offered it to me,
but I declined, so he gave it to his kids, ages 6, 12, and 15. He says
they played with it a few times at first, but it's been on a shelf now
for a few months. I guess it's not popular at their house, nor would
it be popular at mine.

[SMS]

On 17/08/10 5:18 PM, Paul Miner wrote:

<snip>

Post by Paul Miner
My brother won an iPad as a door prize recently. He offered it to me,
but I declined, so he gave it to his kids, ages 6, 12, and 15. He says
they played with it a few times at first, but it's been on a shelf now
for a few months. I guess it's not popular at their house, nor would
it be popular at mine.

My next door neighbor just got one from a friend that had bought the
non-3G one then wanted a 3G one. Her 3 year old appropriated it for
herself. Like any platform with games, kids like it. I would have
thought that your 6 year old nephew would have liked to play with it. My
neighbor does a lot of selling on eBay and thought she'd use the iPad
for that, but it turns out that it's more practical to use a regular
computer for that sort of thing.

[Paul Miner]

Post by SMS
<snip>

Post by Paul Miner
My brother won an iPad as a door prize recently. He offered it to me,
but I declined, so he gave it to his kids, ages 6, 12, and 15. He says
they played with it a few times at first, but it's been on a shelf now
for a few months. I guess it's not popular at their house, nor would
it be popular at mine.

My next door neighbor just got one from a friend that had bought the
non-3G one then wanted a 3G one. Her 3 year old appropriated it for
herself. Like any platform with games, kids like it. I would have
thought that your 6 year old nephew would have liked to play with it. My
neighbor does a lot of selling on eBay and thought she'd use the iPad
for that, but it turns out that it's more practical to use a regular
computer for that sort of thing.

The 6 year old prefers to play outside, something that is becoming
increasingly uncommon among kids, from what I hear.

[Steve Sobol]

Post by Paul Miner
My brother won an iPad as a door prize recently. He offered it to me,
but I declined, so he gave it to his kids, ages 6, 12, and 15. He says
they played with it a few times at first, but it's been on a shelf now
for a few months. I guess it's not popular at their house, nor would
it be popular at mine.

If his family doesn't want it, I'll take it :)

I'll even pay for shipping :)

I'm just curious what the buzz is about. I will never sign up for at&t
cell service, but I can use the iPad over Wifi, right?

If your brother is interested in sending it to me, email me. The email
address listed below is valid.

[Paul Miner]

Post by Steve Sobol

Post by Paul Miner
My brother won an iPad as a door prize recently. He offered it to me,
but I declined, so he gave it to his kids, ages 6, 12, and 15. He says
they played with it a few times at first, but it's been on a shelf now
for a few months. I guess it's not popular at their house, nor would
it be popular at mine.

If his family doesn't want it, I'll take it :)
I'll even pay for shipping :)
I'm just curious what the buzz is about. I will never sign up for at&t
cell service, but I can use the iPad over Wifi, right?
If your brother is interested in sending it to me, email me. The email
address listed below is valid.

I told him to eBay it, but I think he's not even interested enough to
do that. :)

[Larry]

Post by John Navas
Must have? Replace a $100 DVD player with a $500 iToy?
You must be oblivious to the current economic situation.
--
John

Money is no object when purchasing genuine Apple equipment. The price
charged means nothing when buying this level of Chinese slave-manufactured
quality and pseudo-multitasking technology.

[tlvp]

Post by John Navas
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:29:51 -0700, in

Post by SMS
<snip>

Post by Larry
Will Ipad/Iphone owners all have to have chips injected into their necks
before the goddamned shitphones will dial out?

It's always about monetizing the platform. Google is doing the same
thing, even though they aren't the ones selling the Android devices.
Saw my first iPad yesterday, my neighbor's kid had one.
I asked the mom about it and she said her friend had bought the non-3G
iPad when it first came out, then wanted the 3G model when it came out,
so she traded her the old non-3G model for a Louis Vuitton purse. Very
cool device. The kid had already figured out how to use it, and the kid
is only 3. The analysts were right. This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player. ...

Must have? Replace a $100 DVD player with a $500 iToy?
You must be oblivious to the current economic situation.

Wait: kiddy DVD players have been down to $50 for over a year now, and
that "$500 iToy" only cost this clever mom one used "purse", itself
not worth more than a $20 tax write-off if donated to Aunt Sallie's,
ergo a pretty good deal for this particular clever mom :-) .

Cheers, -- tlvp

[News]

Post by SMS
<snip>

Post by Larry
Will Ipad/Iphone owners all have to have chips injected into their necks
before the goddamned shitphones will dial out?

It's always about monetizing the platform. Google is doing the same
thing, even though they aren't the ones selling the Android devices.
Saw my first iPad yesterday, my neighbor's kid had one.
I asked the mom about it and she said her friend had bought the non-3G
iPad when it first came out, then wanted the 3G model when it came out,
so she traded her the old non-3G model for a Louis Vuitton purse. Very
cool device. The kid had already figured out how to use it, and the kid
is only 3. The analysts were right. This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player. Pretty funny on the
drawing app she was using that you erase the screen by shaking the iPad
like an Etch a Sketch.

Surely, Ohio Arts patented the screen shake. Nasty lawyer letter to follow.

[Kurt Ullman]

Post by News
Surely, Ohio Arts patented the screen shake. Nasty lawyer letter to follow.

Old enough, I would think the patent had expired. Disney doesn't hold
that many patents so there was no push to extend them into infinity and
beyond like in copyrights. (g).

[Larry]

Post by SMS
This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player.

By the way, for the kids, the entire Disney kid movie collection as far
back as 1930, has been posted in DivX format with beautiful quality, to
alt.binaries.movies.divx for downloading. You'll need WinRAR or clone to
assemble it. Grabit from www.shemes.com is free as a client to download
and decode it while you sleep.....

The very old Disney movies don't even look like film! The pictures are
perfect without a single blemish I can detect.

Of course, you'll need a real computer or mobile device that can render
DivX and about 733MB per movie to store it, not iPhone or iPad. Runs
perfectly under Mplayer on nasty ol' Nokia N800's with or without
converting it to a smaller, more memory efficient format....and looks
wonderful, as downloaded, on any $189 netbook. www.divx.com has free
decoding, playing and the latest codecs that make it simply beautiful, even
blown up to 52" on the Samsung monster monitor....(c;]

Saw Bambi when released in 1952. I was 6! Amazing how you can remember
even bits of the dialog between Bambi and Thumper....(c;] Hand-drawn by
real artists, cartoon movies ARE better.....

[Justin]

Post by Larry

Post by SMS
This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player.

By the way, for the kids, the entire Disney kid movie collection as far
back as 1930, has been posted in DivX format with beautiful quality, to
alt.binaries.movies.divx for downloading. You'll need WinRAR or clone to
assemble it. Grabit from www.shemes.com is free as a client to download
and decode it while you sleep.....

Way to advocate law breaking.

[Richard B. Gilbert]

Post by Justin

Post by Larry

Post by SMS
This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player.

By the way, for the kids, the entire Disney kid movie collection as far
back as 1930, has been posted in DivX format with beautiful quality, to
alt.binaries.movies.divx for downloading. You'll need WinRAR or clone to
assemble it. Grabit from www.shemes.com is free as a client to download
and decode it while you sleep.....

Way to advocate law breaking.

Did you notice that the date mentioned was 1930? For the last ??? years
copyright has been good for 50 years or the life of the author/creator,
whichever is greater!

[Kurt Ullman]

Post by Richard B. Gilbert
Did you notice that the date mentioned was 1930? For the last ??? years
copyright has been good for 50 years or the life of the author/creator,
whichever is greater!

Actually that changed quite a few years ago. It is now 95 years from
publication or 120 years from creation whichever is shorter (anonymous
works, pseudonymous works, or works made for hire, published since 1978)

95 years from publication for works published 1964­1977; 28 (if
copyright not renewed) or 95 years from publication for works published
1923­1963 (Copyrights prior to 1923 have expired.)
Life +70, since 1978 (can't remember which this was, but it is
conceivable that the copyright is still in force).

[Larry]

Post by Kurt Ullman

Post by Richard B. Gilbert
Did you notice that the date mentioned was 1930? For the last ???
years copyright has been good for 50 years or the life of the
author/creator, whichever is greater!

Actually that changed quite a few years ago. It is now 95 years from
publication or 120 years from creation whichever is shorter (anonymous
works, pseudonymous works, or works made for hire, published since 1978)
95 years from publication for works published 1964­1977; 28 (if
copyright not renewed) or 95 years from publication for works
published 1923­1963 (Copyrights prior to 1923 have expired.)
Life +70, since 1978 (can't remember which this was, but it is
conceivable that the copyright is still in force).

Arrest everyone. Everyone is guilty if you read it all.....

[Steve Sobol]

In article <***@74.209.131.13>, ***@home.com
says...

Post by Larry
Arrest everyone. Everyone is guilty if you read it all.....

Considering how aggressive RIAA and MPAA are, what you are advocating is
guaranteed to get people sued. What astounds me is that you know this,
and suggest crap like this anyhow.

But why should you give a shit? Really? Why? It's not you getting in
trouble, is it?

[Larry]

Post by Steve Sobol
Considering how aggressive RIAA and MPAA are, what you are advocating is
guaranteed to get people sued. What astounds me is that you know this,
and suggest crap like this anyhow.
But why should you give a shit? Really? Why? It's not you getting in
trouble, is it?

Your news is old, Steve! RIAA/MPAA quit prosecuting downloaders a year or
more ago. They only go after the posters, now, and never on usenet where
anonymity is tough to crack. They've ALWAYS gone after the easy targets,
traps set up to trap bit torrent idiots or the companies that do
connections.

There hasn't been a user prosecution in over a year, I think. I haven't
researched it, but you can play on Google is you like.

The religious guilt trip doesn't play here. I can get the movies free from
the local library and copy them from there, I suppose. They're all old
crap, like they sell on TV.

Someday "they" will put a stop to it. I have enough to keep me entertained
for decades.

I sent Glenn Miller an email asking him if he objected to my possessing his
music. I got no reply, so I guess it's ok.

[John Navas]

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 04:43:03 +0000, in

Post by Larry
The religious guilt trip doesn't play here. I can get the movies free from
the local library and copy them from there, I suppose. They're all old
crap, like they sell on TV.

We're fortunate enough around here in the San Francisco Bay Area to have
public libraries that get recent movies, with online reservation, kind
of like free Netflix. :)

[Justin]

Post by Larry

Post by Steve Sobol
Considering how aggressive RIAA and MPAA are, what you are advocating is
guaranteed to get people sued. What astounds me is that you know this,
and suggest crap like this anyhow.
But why should you give a shit? Really? Why? It's not you getting in
trouble, is it?

Your news is old, Steve! RIAA/MPAA quit prosecuting downloaders a year or
more ago. They only go after the posters, now, and never on usenet where
anonymity is tough to crack. They've ALWAYS gone after the easy targets,
traps set up to trap bit torrent idiots or the companies that do
connections.
There hasn't been a user prosecution in over a year, I think. I haven't
researched it, but you can play on Google is you like.

So, the guy that just got hit with $67000 in fines didn't happen?

[John Navas]

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:38:00 +0000 (UTC), in

Post by Justin

Post by Larry

Post by Steve Sobol
Considering how aggressive RIAA and MPAA are, what you are advocating is
guaranteed to get people sued. What astounds me is that you know this,
and suggest crap like this anyhow.
But why should you give a shit? Really? Why? It's not you getting in
trouble, is it?

Your news is old, Steve! RIAA/MPAA quit prosecuting downloaders a year or
more ago. They only go after the posters, now, and never on usenet where
anonymity is tough to crack. They've ALWAYS gone after the easy targets,
traps set up to trap bit torrent idiots or the companies that do
connections.
There hasn't been a user prosecution in over a year, I think. I haven't
researched it, but you can play on Google is you like.

So, the guy that just got hit with $67000 in fines didn't happen?

That's an old case --
what just happened was the judge slashing the jury award.

[Larry]

Post by John Navas

Post by Justin
So, the guy that just got hit with $67000 in fines didn't happen?

That's an old case --
what just happened was the judge slashing the jury award.
--
John

Ah....I guess...

[Larry]

Post by Justin

Post by Larry

Post by Steve Sobol
Considering how aggressive RIAA and MPAA are, what you are
advocating is guaranteed to get people sued. What astounds me is
that you know this, and suggest crap like this anyhow.
But why should you give a shit? Really? Why? It's not you getting in
trouble, is it?

Your news is old, Steve! RIAA/MPAA quit prosecuting downloaders a
year or more ago. They only go after the posters, now, and never on
usenet where anonymity is tough to crack. They've ALWAYS gone after
the easy targets, traps set up to trap bit torrent idiots or the
companies that do connections.
There hasn't been a user prosecution in over a year, I think. I
haven't researched it, but you can play on Google is you like.

So, the guy that just got hit with $67000 in fines didn't happen?

Cite? URL? Where's the story, not the bullshit?

[John Navas]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 03:20:46 +0000, in

Post by Larry

Post by Justin

Post by Larry

Post by Steve Sobol
But why should you give a shit? Really? Why? It's not you getting in
trouble, is it?

Your news is old, Steve! RIAA/MPAA quit prosecuting downloaders a
year or more ago. They only go after the posters, now, and never on
usenet where anonymity is tough to crack. They've ALWAYS gone after
the easy targets, traps set up to trap bit torrent idiots or the
companies that do connections.
There hasn't been a user prosecution in over a year, I think. I
haven't researched it, but you can play on Google is you like.

So, the guy that just got hit with $67000 in fines didn't happen?

Cite? URL? Where's the story, not the bullshit?

<http://www.google.com/search?q=file+sharing+%2467000>

[Larry]

Post by John Navas

Post by Larry
Cite? URL? Where's the story, not the bullshit?

<http://www.google.com/search?q=file+sharing+%2467000>
--
John

Thanks, John. Please also notice this guy was a SOURCE for files, a file
sharing torrent source, NOT a usenet downloader who is NOT a source of
files, ever. RIAA/MPAA is still going after the SOURCES of the files.
Uploaders to Usenet would be a target if RIAA/MPAA could ever figure out
who and where they are, which is a LOT more work than finding bit torrent
sources where you have their IP so easily.

This guy was sharing files....sourcing what he had for others to download
on bit torrent or one of the commercial sharing programs.....and still a
target. The judge did the right thing but there's STILL too many zeros in
the dollar figure. $670 fines discourage college students working at
McDonald's.

[Justin]

Post by Richard B. Gilbert

Post by Justin

Post by Larry

Post by SMS
This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player.

By the way, for the kids, the entire Disney kid movie collection as far
back as 1930, has been posted in DivX format with beautiful quality, to
alt.binaries.movies.divx for downloading. You'll need WinRAR or clone to
assemble it. Grabit from www.shemes.com is free as a client to download
and decode it while you sleep.....

Way to advocate law breaking.

Did you notice that the date mentioned was 1930? For the last ??? years
copyright has been good for 50 years or the life of the author/creator,
whichever is greater!

No, it isn't.


It's life + 70 years.

[Kurt Ullman]

Post by Justin

Post by Richard B. Gilbert

Post by Justin

Post by Larry

Post by SMS
This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player.

By the way, for the kids, the entire Disney kid movie collection as far
back as 1930, has been posted in DivX format with beautiful quality, to
alt.binaries.movies.divx for downloading. You'll need WinRAR or clone to
assemble it. Grabit from www.shemes.com is free as a client to download
and decode it while you sleep.....

Way to advocate law breaking.

Did you notice that the date mentioned was 1930? For the last ??? years
copyright has been good for 50 years or the life of the author/creator,
whichever is greater!

No, it isn't.
It's life + 70 years.

And we are talking Disney, so it was not a personal copyright and the
life of the author is beside the point.

[Richard B. Gilbert]

Post by Kurt Ullman

Post by Justin

Post by Richard B. Gilbert

Post by Justin

Post by Larry

Post by SMS
This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player.

By the way, for the kids, the entire Disney kid movie collection as far
back as 1930, has been posted in DivX format with beautiful quality, to
alt.binaries.movies.divx for downloading. You'll need WinRAR or clone to
assemble it. Grabit from www.shemes.com is free as a client to download
and decode it while you sleep.....

Way to advocate law breaking.

Did you notice that the date mentioned was 1930? For the last ??? years
copyright has been good for 50 years or the life of the author/creator,
whichever is greater!

No, it isn't.
It's life + 70 years.

And we are talking Disney, so it was not a personal copyright and the
life of the author is beside the point.

Remember, Disney can afford more and better lawyers than you can!

[Larry]

Post by Justin

Post by Larry

Post by SMS
This is a must-have entertainment
device for kids, replacing the mobile DVD player.

By the way, for the kids, the entire Disney kid movie collection as
far back as 1930, has been posted in DivX format with beautiful
quality, to alt.binaries.movies.divx for downloading. You'll need
WinRAR or clone to assemble it. Grabit from www.shemes.com is free
as a client to download and decode it while you sleep.....

Way to advocate law breaking.

Makes my asshole burn just thinking about it....

[George Kerby]

Post by Larry

Post by John Navas
Apple has recently hired Benjamin Vigier as its new product manager
for mobile commerce. According to LinkedIn, Vigier joined Apple in
July 2010. He is an expert in near field communications (NFC), working
in the field since 2004.
His most recent position was as a product manager for mFoundry, a
mobile wallet, payment and NFC at US mobile payments specialist. There
he conceived and managed both the PayPal Mobile service and Starbucks'
barcode-based mobile payments service.
He was also responsible for the development of mobile wallet
applications for two top US mobile network operators and an NFC wallet
application for a top three US bank.
<http://www.examiner.com/tech-gear-in-san-francisco/apple-hires-near-fi
eld-communications-nfc-expert-mobile-commerce-coming-soon-to-iphone-1>
or <http://goo.gl/6njz>

Will Ipad/Iphone owners all have to have chips injected into their necks
before the goddamned shitphones will dial out?
That's coming, people.....just wait. You read it here, first!

Get down to the Waffle House and grab all the tinfoil the gals will let you
have, Lar. STAT!!!

[John Navas]

And a third of iPhone owners are waiting for carrier choice to upgrade
smartphone, says survey

More than half of all Verizon subscribers would likely buy an iPhone if
Apple's device was supported by their current provider, a recent survey
of U.S. consumers claimed.

According to Michigan-based market research firm Morpace, 51% of current
Verizon subscribers said they were either "somewhat likely" or "very
likely" to purchase an iPhone if Verizon offered Apple's smartphone. The
results were based on a poll of 1,000 American consumers conducted from
July 15 to July 20.

Morpace's results were nearly identical to those collected last May by
ChangeWave, a research company that specializes in forecasting future
spending trends. ChangeWave's poll of more than 4,000 U.S. consumers
found that 53% of Verizon subscribers were somewhat or very likely to
purchase an iPhone if the carrier obtained rights to the device.

MORE:
<http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9180739/Most_Verizon_customers_likely_to_buy_Apple_iPhone?taxonomyId=15>
or <http://goo.gl/aCgA>

[Larry]

Post by John Navas
More than half of all Verizon subscribers would likely buy an iPhone if
Apple's device was supported by their current provider, a recent survey
of U.S. consumers claimed.

Horseshit. Most Verizon customers don't even have smartphones or the whole
damned system would already be on its knees!

Most of the Verizon customers have sellphones.

[John Navas]

Look out, Sprint: your $100 Unlimited Everything plan might not be a
unique selling point for too much longer.

People in San Diego and Los Angeles, California recently started
receiving offers to nab Verizon’s National Talk and Text plan — usually
a $90 per-month affair — for just $70 bucks as part of a regional test.
Paired with Verizon’s $30 unlimited data plan, that brings the cost for
unlimited text, talk, and data down to $100 bucks a month, matching it
feature-for-feature and dollar-for-dollar with Sprint’s offering.

MORE:
<http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/08/18/verizon-testing-unlimited-texttalkdata-plans-for-100-in-select-markets/>

COMMENT: Would seem to contradict the Internet rumors posted here.

[schrödinger's cat]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:39:03 -0700 John Navas

Post by John Navas
Look out, Sprint: your $100 Unlimited Everything plan might not be a
unique selling point for too much longer.
People in San Diego and Los Angeles, California recently started
receiving offers to nab Verizon’s National Talk and Text plan — usually
a $90 per-month affair — for just $70 bucks as part of a regional test.
Paired with Verizon’s $30 unlimited data plan, that brings the cost for
unlimited text, talk, and data down to $100 bucks a month, matching it
feature-for-feature and dollar-for-dollar with Sprint’s offering.

Sprint is starting to lose the one advantage they have had for years
over other providers: better priced plans. I have been a Sprint customer
for over 14 years, and have been off-contract for almost a year. My wife
and I want to upgrade our handsets, and we want to stay on a shared
plan. I want an Android phone, and my wife wants a smart phone with a
sliding keyboard.

The least expensive way to do this with Sprint seems to be the $129.99
Everything Data Family plan with 1500 voice minutes. However, to get
this price we would have to settle for aging handsets: the HTC Hero and
the HTC Touch Pro2.

To get state-of-the-art phones we would need to move up to the HTC Evo
and the Samsung Epic. Since each of these models comes with Sprint's
$10/month 4G tax, the cost of the plan goes up to $149.99.

We could instead move to Verizon and get Droid Incredible and Droid 2
handsets, which are technologically equivalent to the Evo and Epic, on
Verizon's 700 minute shared plan for $69.99. Adding a $5.00 text option
and a $29.99 data option to each line makes the total cost of the plan
$139.97 which is $10.02/month less than Sprint.

Since I haven't seen any news about a replacement for the Hero or
similar older 3G smart phones, I must assume that Sprint is trying to
force customers who want the latest technology and OS versions to buy 4G
phones and pay the $10/month surcharge, even for those of us who have no
use for, or indeed access to, 4G service.

[John Navas]

Smartphones and modems are about to get faster mobile broadband
connections -- 14.4M bps (bits per second) and 42M bps, repectively --
using HSPA+ (High Speed Packet Access).

In the shadow of the 4G battle between LTE (Long-Term Evolution) and
WiMax, a growing number of operators have or are about to roll roll out
HSPA+ networks. There were 58 live HSPA+ networks in operation at the
beginning of August, with a further 43 local operators having made
commitments to migrate to the technology soon, according to market
research company Wireless Intelligence, the independent research arm of
industry organization GSM Association.

Modems that can take advantage of HSPA+ speeds have been around since
the beginning of last year, and now smartphones that can do the same are
getting closer to launch.

On Wednesday, T-Mobile put out a teaser site to promote the upcoming
Android-based G2 smartphone, which will be the first smartphone designed
to run on its new HSPA+ network, according to the operator. T-Mobile
didn't announce when the phone will start shipping, but it will share
more information in the coming weeks, it said.

Another Android-based smartphone with a mobile broadband connection that
should leave existing phones in the dust is Huawei's U8800. The phone
was first announced at Mobile World in February, and is scheduled to
become commercially available during the third quarter, Huawei said at
the time.

...

HSPA+ will modems will still be faster, as they already offer
theoretical speeds at up to 21M bps, and will increase the lead as the
first 42M bps arrive later this year.

MORE:
<http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/203762/faster_hspa_smartphones_modems_coming_soon.html>
or <http://goo.gl/L64Z>

[John Navas]

FINNISH PHONE MAKER Nokia's N9 smartphone prototype has been spotted in
China and it is likely to be the first smartphone to run the outfit's
own Meego OS. But it's going face real competition from the upcoming
Blackberry Bold and HTC Desire smartphones, so it's going to have to be
pretty good to gain much traction.

Unfortunately no specifications for the Nokia N9 have been leaked, only
some photos of the device to tease us at the Chinese language site
Baidu. <http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=855903283>

Nokia looks like it is going to put a slide-out Qwerty keyboard on the
N9 and the first impression of it is that looks a lot like a
miniaturised Macbook.

Overall, the device looks like it's going to be rather large, with a
screen size comparable to the Samsung Galaxy S.

The MeeGo platform is likely to be key to the success or failure of the
N9 and Nokia has all but pinned its hopes on the OS for the high end
market. Not much has been seen of the user interface, and Nokia is going
to have to work hard to attract users who have grown accustomed to
smartphones running Android or IOS4.

MORE:
<http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1729021/nokia-n9-smartphone-rumours-tip>

[John Navas]

Android licensees risk the WinMobile Disease - analyst

... In Q2 2007, Nokia pocketed 63 per cent of profits; Apple and RIM
just seven per cent between them. Wind forward three years, and Apple
and RIM snag 65 per cent of the profits, largely at the expense of
Nokia, but helped by the collapse of Sony Ericsson and Motorola, who are
a tiny shadow of their former selves.

There's a conclusion to be drawn for Google and the Android licensees,
thinks Asymco. None of the three leaders are likely to abandon their
in-house platforms for Android, it's either inferior (to iOS) or (as
with BlackBerry OS, Symbian or Meego) switching simply isn't worth it.
So Android is left to target the very manufacturers who have been
squeezed. And that in turn leaves them with some tricky choices to make.

Android is becoming a commodity platform, so they need to differentiate
themselves from the rest of the Android rabble: we've seen Sony
Ericsson, HTC and Motorola invest heavily in their own UIs. But because
Android is a commodity platform, this investment isn’t worth it.

MORE: <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/20/asymco_mobile_profits/>

COMMENT: I think this is a seriously flawed analysis that overlooks how
well Motorola has come roaring back.

[John Navas]

Speedtest.net Android [T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack] Result

Download: 2178 kbps
Upload: 854 kbps
Ping: 130 ms

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[John Navas]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:42:35 -0700, in

Post by John Navas
Speedtest.net Android [T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack] Result
Download: 2178 kbps
Upload: 854 kbps
Ping: 130 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/10268016.png

MORE DATA (ROUGH GRID IN NORTHEAST SAN FRANCISCO)
BOUNDED ON SOUTH BY BROADWAY, ON WEST BY THE PRESIDIO:

Download: 941 kbps
Upload: 837 kbps
Ping: 146 ms

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Download: 997 kbps
Upload: 573 kbps
Ping: 124 ms

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Download: 829 kbps
Upload: 820 kbps
Ping: 140 ms

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Download: 928 kbps
Upload: 891 kbps
Ping: 152 ms

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Download: 2946 kbps
Upload: 669 kbps
Ping: 129 ms

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Download: 921 kbps
Upload: 811 kbps
Ping: 150 ms

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Download: 998 kbps
Upload: 859 kbps
Ping: 147 ms

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Download: 1032 kbps
Upload: 888 kbps
Ping: 151 ms

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[John Navas]

p.s. The Speed Test app recorded the GPS coordinates for these tests,
but doesn't output them, and I was too lazy to copy them all manually.


On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:14:29 -0700, in

Post by John Navas
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:42:35 -0700, in

Post by John Navas
Speedtest.net Android [T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack] Result
Download: 2178 kbps
Upload: 854 kbps
Ping: 130 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/10268016.png

MORE DATA (ROUGH GRID IN NORTHEAST SAN FRANCISCO)
Download: 941 kbps
Upload: 837 kbps
Ping: 146 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/10331447.png
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Download: 997 kbps
Upload: 573 kbps
Ping: 124 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/10331930.png
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Download: 829 kbps
Upload: 820 kbps
Ping: 140 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/10332842.png
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Download: 928 kbps
Upload: 891 kbps
Ping: 152 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/10333147.png
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Download: 2946 kbps
Upload: 669 kbps
Ping: 129 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/10333324.png
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Download: 921 kbps
Upload: 811 kbps
Ping: 150 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/10333594.png
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Download: 998 kbps
Upload: 859 kbps
Ping: 147 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/10334137.png
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Download: 1032 kbps
Upload: 888 kbps
Ping: 151 ms
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[John Navas]

OBJECTIVE: TEST FOR AMOUNT OF SPEED DEGRADATION FROM HOLDING ANTENNA
SUMMARY: No significant degradation found


Test device: T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack (aka HTC Magic)
Antenna: Internal, located in "chin" at the bottom

Location: San Francisco Marina District (37.79979, -122.44476)
Sitting in a car with the windows rolled up
Signal strength: -89 dBm


DEVICE HELD NORMALLY IN MY LEFT HAND:

Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:42:47 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1815 kbps
Upload: 844 kbps
Ping: 140 ms
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Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:43:18 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1723 kbps
Upload: 857 kbps
Ping: 139 ms
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Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:45:14 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1809 kbps
Upload: 839 kbps
Ping: 147 ms
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WITH MY LEFT HAND SMOTHERING THE ANTENNA AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE:

Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:48:54 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1642 kbps
Upload: 773 kbps
Ping: 152 ms
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Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:49:20 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1636 kbps
Upload: 794 kbps
Ping: 140 ms
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Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:49:42 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1634 kbps
Upload: 787 kbps
Ping: 138 ms
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[Secular Humorist]

Post by John Navas
OBJECTIVE: TEST FOR AMOUNT OF SPEED DEGRADATION FROM HOLDING ANTENNA
SUMMARY: No significant degradation found
Test device: T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack (aka HTC Magic)
Antenna: Internal, located in "chin" at the bottom
Location: San Francisco Marina District (37.79979, -122.44476)
Sitting in a car with the windows rolled up
Signal strength: -89 dBm
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:42:47 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1815 kbps
Upload: 844 kbps
Ping: 140 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11026985.png
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:43:18 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1723 kbps
Upload: 857 kbps
Ping: 139 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11027029.png
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:45:14 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1809 kbps
Upload: 839 kbps
Ping: 147 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11027139.png
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:48:54 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1642 kbps
Upload: 773 kbps
Ping: 152 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11027408.png
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:49:20 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1636 kbps
Upload: 794 kbps
Ping: 140 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11027439.png
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:49:42 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1634 kbps
Upload: 787 kbps
Ping: 138 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11027457.png

Have you considered finding a nice gal to...date?

[John Navas]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:36:03 -0400, in

Post by Secular Humorist

Post by John Navas
OBJECTIVE: TEST FOR AMOUNT OF SPEED DEGRADATION FROM HOLDING ANTENNA
SUMMARY: No significant degradation found
Test device: T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack (aka HTC Magic)
Antenna: Internal, located in "chin" at the bottom
Location: San Francisco Marina District (37.79979, -122.44476)
Sitting in a car with the windows rolled up
Signal strength: -89 dBm
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:42:47 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1815 kbps
Upload: 844 kbps
Ping: 140 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11026985.png
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:43:18 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1723 kbps
Upload: 857 kbps
Ping: 139 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11027029.png
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:45:14 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1809 kbps
Upload: 839 kbps
Ping: 147 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11027139.png
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:48:54 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1642 kbps
Upload: 773 kbps
Ping: 152 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11027408.png
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:49:20 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1636 kbps
Upload: 794 kbps
Ping: 140 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11027439.png
Test Date: Aug 29, 2010 7:49:42 pm
Connection Type: Utms
Download: 1634 kbps
Upload: 787 kbps
Ping: 138 ms
http://www.speedtest.net/android/11027457.png

Have you considered finding a nice gal to...date?

I know of no (worthwhile) gal that would settle for a 10 minute window
of time -- do you? ;)

[John Navas]

Typical T-Mobile EGPRS(EDGE) speed (handset in 2G only mode):
Speedtest.net Android [T-Mobile myTouch 3G 3.5mm Jack]

Test Date: Sep 7, 2010 8:56:33 am
Connection Type: Edge
Download: 211 kbps
Upload: 116 kbps
Ping: 257 ms
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Test Date: Sep 7, 2010 8:57:49 am
Connection Type: Edge
Download: 205 kbps
Upload: 119 kbps
Ping: 298 ms
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[John Navas]

It's official: Samsung will unveil its would-be iPad beater, now called
the Galaxy Tab - sounds like a fizzy drink - just ahead of the IFA
consumer electronics show early next month.

According to a vid just posted on the Samsung website, the 7in Tab will
run Android 2.2, do video calls - though the only apparent camera is on
the back - support Adobe Flash for a "full web" experience, have e-book
reading software and do "HD movie playback" - 720p, presumably, given
the physical size of the screen.

No other spec data has been provided, so we'll have to wait until the 2
September launch for that.

MORE: <http://galaxytab.samsungmobile.com/>
<http://www.reghardware.com/2010/08/24/samsung_galaxy_tab/>

[John Navas]

Al Moschner probably wouldn't blame you if you've never heard of Cricket
Wireless. But if he has his way, you'll know about his company soon
enough.

As the executive vice president and chief operating officer of the
nation's seventh-largest wireless carrier, Moschner directs marketing
and branding efforts for Cricket's products and services. A subsidiary
of Leap Wireless International founded in 1999, Cricket serves 5.3
million prepaid customers in select communities in 25 states, or about a
third of the country. Though that focus has served Cricket well over the
past year--total revenues for parent company Leap Wireless increased
10.2 percent from the second quarter of 2009 to the same period this
year--the carrier isn't standing still. Even as it stays true to its
prepaid roots, it is embarking on plans to attract new customers, expand
into smartphone content services, and develop the network necessary to
become a national carrier.

Last Tuesday, just before Cricket released its first smartphone, the
Sanyo Zio, Moschner dropped by CNET's San Francisco offices to talk
about how his company and the wireless industry is changing. We covered
a range of topics, including the growth in prepaid, an impending music
service, cheaper data plans, and, of course, a CDMA iPhone.

MORE: <http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20014745-85.html>

[John Navas]

Also boots Linux from the No. 3 spot in OS usage online

Computerworld - Apple's iOS mobile operating system is now the
third-most popular platform on the Internet, with a share nearly six
times larger than Android's, a Web measurement company said Wednesday.

Collectively the devices that run iOS -- the iPhone, the iPod Touch and
the iPad -- accounted for 1.1% of all hardware on the Internet last
month, more than enough to shove Linux off its perch as the third-place
operating system on the Web.

For the month of August, Linux fell to a 0.85% share, the third month in
a row that the open-source operating system lost ground. Windows and
Apple's Mac OS were the No. 1 and No. 2 operating systems on the Web,
with 91.3% and 5%, respectively.

"It's something to take note of when a mobile operating system passes
something that's been around forever," said Vince Vizzaccaro, a Net
Applications vice president, talking about iOS overtaking Linux.
"Mobile's growth curve is strong, and mobile is becoming quite a
phenomenon on the Internet."

Net Applications' numbers don't reflect devices sold or operating
systems licensed or installed, but they do show how much browsing people
do using specific hardware and operating systems. And clearly, mobile
users take to the Web.

"When you combine all the different devices, mobile has a 2.6% share,"
said Vizzaccaro. "That's massive when you think about it."

As a platform, iOS has the biggest chunk of the total mobile usage
share, easily beating rivals like Google's Android and Nokia's Symbian.

Android devices made up just 0.2% of the operating systems that powered
browsers Net Applications tracked last month. "Whatever the sales are,
we're seeing iOS totally dominate the market on the Web," Vizzaccaro
said. "iOS has nearly a 6:1 advantage over Android."

MORE:
<http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9183298/Apple_s_iOS_beats_Android_6_1_on_the_Web>

[Larry]

Post by John Navas
Windows and
Apple's Mac OS were the No. 1 and No. 2 operating systems on the Web,
with 91.3% and 5%, respectively.

Looks like Flash will be around a long, long time. I didn't know the
numbers were this lopsided. I must be watching too much Reality
Distortion Field on iphone/ipad newsgroups.....(c;]

John, have you got any information on the distribution inside the 91.3%?
How much XP compared to how much Win7? From M$'s recent attitude to
continue to sell XP on netbooks, I'm guessing most computers on the net
are STILL good ol', reliable Win XP boxes. There must be billions of
them, plodding along through the average internet pinhole "broadband"
modems....

[John Navas]

On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 23:02:28 +0000, in

Post by Larry

Post by John Navas
Windows and
Apple's Mac OS were the No. 1 and No. 2 operating systems on the Web,
with 91.3% and 5%, respectively.

Looks like Flash will be around a long, long time. I didn't know the
numbers were this lopsided. I must be watching too much Reality
Distortion Field on iphone/ipad newsgroups.....(c;]
John, have you got any information on the distribution inside the 91.3%?
How much XP compared to how much Win7? From M$'s recent attitude to
continue to sell XP on netbooks, I'm guessing most computers on the net
are STILL good ol', reliable Win XP boxes. There must be billions of
them, plodding along through the average internet pinhole "broadband"
modems....

"Windows 7 Tops Vista, But Windows XP Still Dominates"
<http://www.cio-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=13300GBG8GXC>

[Larry]

Post by John Navas
"Windows 7 Tops Vista, But Windows XP Still Dominates"
<http://www.cio-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=13300GBG8GXC>

Thanks. It's interesting to note VISTA, all by itself, has 3 times the
market of all Apple computers, combined.....(c;]

I doubt anyone will ever care if they run Flash or not......

[John Navas]

On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:17:51 +0000, in

Post by Larry

Post by John Navas
"Windows 7 Tops Vista, But Windows XP Still Dominates"
<http://www.cio-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=13300GBG8GXC>

Thanks. It's interesting to note VISTA, all by itself, has 3 times the
market of all Apple computers, combined.....(c;]
I doubt anyone will ever care if they run Flash or not......

Not in the computer world, but lack of Flash does matter in the mobile
world thanks to the great success of mobile iDevices, and the mobile
world is where the market action is currently.

It's an interesting battle. I'm _not_ a fan of Flash, but it's
essentially TOGIT (the Only Game in Town) on the Web until HTML5 is
established.

The basic issue is that pretty much _all_ current mobile devices
(Android included) cannot do Flash or WebM (derived from MKV), giving a
huge advantage to MPEG-4.

The related battle is between MPEG-4 (backed by Apple and the closed
Internet) and VP8/WebM (backed by Google and the open Internet). What
VP8/WebM needs but lacks is clear superiority and wide support -- MPEG-4
is awfully good (especially with a top quality encoder) and widely
supported.

Ironically, one of the things holding back WebM is the illicit market --
hackers are still mostly clinging to MPEG-4 ASP (Xvid, DivX) with MP3 in
the ancient AVI container format, plus a relatively small amount of
Theora and MPEG-4 AVC in the MKV container format. Hackers were a big
factor in the success of MP3, and might well do the same for WebM if
they get solidly behind it.

Much as I'd like to see WebM succeed, my own bet (FWIW) is on MPEG-4.

[John Navas]

...

The August Statistics from the Quancast show that Apple has saved itself
for the time being but Mobile web use of iOS devices (excluding iPad)
dropped significantly remaining at 56 percent. While RIM and "other"
devices dropped down to 9 percent and 10 percent respectively. Android
is the only progressive mobile operating service to jump up 2 percent to
reach 25 percent, its best achievement since November 2009.

The yearly view reveals that Android has now gain 18.6 percent in web
consumption sharemaking Apple's iOS device suffer a decline (down 11.4
percent). RIM was able to maintain consistency and lost only 1.6 percent
of its web market share in same span of time.

Quancast is expected to reveal the August web consumption details next
week. However last month's statistics show that Apple iPhone topped the
chart with 36 percent. But the company's iPod line of devices was down
to 20 percent. HTC an Android vendor for the first time appeared on the
chart with 11 percent of total smartphone web consumption and Motorola
was at 10 percent.

Over the past year Motorola has grown more than any other smartphone
manufacturer. Apple iPhone and iPod have given up 7 percent and 3.4
percent of their mobile web share respectively, while Motorola and HTC
are topping the yearly growth of 10 percent and 3.9 percent
respectively.

MORE:
<http://www.lanewsmonitor.com/news/Android-Mobile-Web-Market-Steadily-Rising-1283715157/>

[nospam]

Post by John Navas
The August Statistics from the Quancast show that Apple has saved itself
for the time being but Mobile web use of iOS devices (excluding iPad)
dropped significantly remaining at 56 percent.

why exclude ipad? its an ios device.

they're obviously trying to skew the results. what is the web usage
when you include ipad, which according to reports, uses *more* data
than iphone users do?

Post by John Navas
While RIM and "other"
devices dropped down to 9 percent and 10 percent respectively. Android
is the only progressive mobile operating service to jump up 2 percent to
reach 25 percent, its best achievement since November 2009.

are they excluding any android devices?

Post by John Navas
The yearly view reveals that Android has now gain 18.6 percent in web
consumption sharemaking Apple's iOS device suffer a decline (down 11.4
percent). RIM was able to maintain consistency and lost only 1.6 percent
of its web market share in same span of time.

their view is bullshit because you don't get to pick and choose which
devices count and which do not, unless you have an agenda.

[John Navas]

The Torch is fizzling. Now what?

The Torch was Research In Motion's (RIMM) bid to return to the cutting
edge of smartphones, a market that is at once a rare corner of the
economy where consumers are eager to spend and perhaps the most
intensely competitive in terms of tech innovation. Every few months,
either Apple (AAPL) or Google (GOOG) announces some new improvement to
their smartphones. Keeping up with them is all but impossible.

And that's not good news for Research In Motion. For years the company
was the strongest brand in smartphones, thanks to the BlackBerry. The
early generations of BlackBerrys were ubiquitous at business gatherings
and airports, as their owners frenetically thumbed out emails on the go.
Jokes about CrackBerrys grew so commonplace they became tiresome.

Then came the iPhone and the Android phones, with their touchscreens and
their cornucopias of apps that could do things like edit movies on the
fly, practice piano chords and even create works of art if you needed a
break from those emails. But the BlackBerry clung to its advantages: Its
signature keypad was much easier to type on than iPhone's touchscreen,
and Verizon offered two-for-the-price of one deals to entice consumers.

Plummeting Market Share

That wasn't enough, however, to keep RIM's share of the U.S. smartphone
market from falling to 28% in the second quarter, from 37% a year
earlier. Verizon also sells Android phones, and Android's share of the
smartphone market surged to 33% last quarter, displacing BlackBerry as
the best-selling smartphone operating system. Half of BlackBerry owners
surveyed by Nielsen were ready to jump to the iPhone or an Android
phone.

But for that other half, BlackBerry loyalty remained strong. Many of
them still preferred BlackBerrys for email. Just as important, most IT
departments preferred supporting BlackBerrys over newer, perhaps less
secure phones. Then iPhones and Android phones started to be adopted as
ideal business phones. And social media became as important as email for
many people.

So RIM began introducing touchscreens to keeps its customers happy. But
it turned out many wanted touchscreens and the old tactile keypads, So
RIM gave them that in the Torch -- it was designed to be the best of
both worlds. Its BlackBerry 6 operating software would appeal to all the
BlackBerry brand loyalists who wanted a slicker touchscreen and faster
web browsing of iPhones and Android phones, plus the old familiar
keyboard if you slid it out.

But the Torch isn't a game-changer the way the iPhone was, it's just
another player in a game whose rules Apple -- and increasingly Google --
are writing. Its early sales were respectable: 150,000 in the first
weekend of launch. That number is overshadowed by the 1.7 million iPhone
4s that sold in its first three days on the market.

[SNIP]

... RIM's insistence on designing the BlackBerry as a business phone
isn't working anymore. In fact, it's hurting RIM because smartphones
designed for consumers are taking over. The weird thing is, as a
consumer phone, the Torch is actually very good. But in the
hyper-competitive smartphone market, very good isn't good enough
anymore. You have to blow people away just to stay alive.


MORE:
<http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/blackberry-torch-research-in-motion/19621129/>

[Justin]

Post by John Navas
The Torch is fizzling. Now what?

You know, you can start whole new threads instead of using reply
to start them and having references 10 miles long.

[John Navas]

On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 00:51:15 +0000 (UTC), in

Post by Justin

Post by John Navas
The Torch is fizzling. Now what?

You know, you can start whole new threads instead of using reply
to start them and having references 10 miles long.

True, but a bit more work, and a good newsreader (like Forte Agent) will
see the Subject change as a new thread.

[Justin]

Post by John Navas
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 00:51:15 +0000 (UTC), in

Post by Justin

Post by John Navas
The Torch is fizzling. Now what?

You know, you can start whole new threads instead of using reply
to start them and having references 10 miles long.

True, but a bit more work, and a good newsreader (like Forte Agent) will
see the Subject change as a new thread.

Why? Subject change does not define a new thread.

In fact, many times subjects are changed for new sub threads

[John Navas]

1. AILING HIGH-END PHONE PORTFOLIO
2. IMPLOSION IN U.S. MARKET
3. "OLD NOKIA" LEADERSHIP
4. FAILED SERVICES PUSH
5. EXPOSURE TO THE CUT-THROAT TELECOM GEAR MARKET

MORE: <http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6892KB20100910>

[John Navas]

Google's week just keeps on getting better.

Not only has it set the blogosphere buzzing with its post-Labor Day
Google Doodle Mystery and the Wednesday news event announcing Google
Instant, but now tech research company Gartner reports that Google's
Android will be in striking distance of Nokia's Symbian system for world
champion in mobile operating systems, leaping past Research in Motion's
Blackberry and Apple's iPhone iOS.

Gartner predicts that Android and Symbian together will account for
nearly 60 percent of mobile OS used by consumers by 2014. (Symbian's
2010 expected market share is 40.1 percent.) Gartner had earlier
foreseen the rise of Android to second place would take another two
years.

Silicon Alley Insider expressed surprise about the speed of Android's
ascension.

"It's been clear that this was coming for some time now — earlier this
year it was reported that Android was now second to Symbian in new
handset activation. Still, it's surprising to see Google catch up in
overall install base so quickly, considering the headstart of its
competitors."

Android has rocketed to an expected 17.7 percent share of the market in
2010, up from a mere 3.9 percent last year according to Gartner's
research. That puts the system just barely above Blackberry's 17.5
percent. Apple's iOS increased only slightly from 14.5 percent in 2009
to 15.4 percent this year.

A few factors are helping Android rise above the competition, including
the demise of the Symbian system.

MORE:
<http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/10/5084985-googles-android-to-zoom-past-blackberry-iphone>
or <http://goo.gl/XYXC>

[John Navas]

Google's week just keeps on getting better.

Not only has it set the blogosphere buzzing with its post-Labor Day
Google Doodle Mystery and the Wednesday news event announcing Google
Instant, but now tech research company Gartner reports that Google's
Android will be in striking distance of Nokia's Symbian system for world
champion in mobile operating systems, leaping past Research in Motion's
Blackberry and Apple's iPhone iOS.

Gartner predicts that Android and Symbian together will account for
nearly 60 percent of mobile OS used by consumers by 2014. (Symbian's
2010 expected market share is 40.1 percent.) Gartner had earlier
foreseen the rise of Android to second place would take another two
years.

Silicon Alley Insider expressed surprise about the speed of Android's
ascension.

"It's been clear that this was coming for some time now — earlier this
year it was reported that Android was now second to Symbian in new
handset activation. Still, it's surprising to see Google catch up in
overall install base so quickly, considering the headstart of its
competitors."

Android has rocketed to an expected 17.7 percent share of the market in
2010, up from a mere 3.9 percent last year according to Gartner's
research. That puts the system just barely above Blackberry's 17.5
percent. Apple's iOS increased only slightly from 14.5 percent in 2009
to 15.4 percent this year.

A few factors are helping Android rise above the competition, including
the demise of the Symbian system.

MORE:
<http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/10/5084985-googles-android-to-zoom-past-blackberry-iphone>
or <http://goo.gl/XYXC>

[John Navas]

JPMorgan Chase & Co. may soon let employees use iPhones for corporate
e-mail, making it an alternative to Research in Motion Ltd.’s BlackBerry
at the bank for the first time, two people familiar with the situation
said.

JPMorgan is testing the Apple Inc. device and smartphones based on
Google Inc.’s Android software, said the people, who didn’t want to be
named because the plans haven’t been made public. The bank is the
second-largest in the U.S. by assets and has about 220,000 employees
worldwide.

UBS AG, Switzerland’s biggest bank, said it is also considering allowing
its staff to use iPhones for company messaging as more of them opt for
the Apple product. UBS has more than 63,000 employees.

Apple and Google are making inroads in RIM’s traditional stronghold with
corporate customers, after their devices first caught on with consumers.
Standard Chartered Bank Plc said in May it’s switching from the
BlackBerry to the iPhone for employees and expects to have 15,000
distributed by year-end.

MORE:
<http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-10/jpmorgan-said-to-test-iphone-for-e-mail-as-more-bankers-bypass-blackberry.html>
or <http://goo.gl/3pdW>

[John Navas]

Google Inc.’s Android software has become the most popular operating
system in the U.S. among new smartphone buyers, passing the iPhone and
BlackBerry platforms, according to Nielsen Co.

Android was the top choice for U.S. consumers who bought a smartphone in
the past six months with Research In Motion Ltd.’s BlackBerry and Apple
Inc.’s iPhone tied for second place, Nielsen said.

MORE:
<http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-05/android-tops-iphone-blackberry-among-u-s-smartphone-buyers-nielsen-says.html>

[John Navas]

Google's Android operating system had a successful third quarter,
capturing about 44 percent of the U.S. smartphone market ahead of Apple
and Research in Motion, according to two reports.

NPD Group and Canalys released reports on Monday that said Android was
installed in 44 percent (NPD) and 43.6 percent (Canalys) of smartphones
shipped during the last quarter.

NPD said 44 percent of smartphones purchased in the third quarter were
Android-based, up 11 percent from the previous quarter. Apple came in
second with 23 percent, up 1 percent, follwed by RIM, which declined
from 28 percent to 22 percent to land in third place.

"Much of Android's quarterly share growth came at the expense of RIM,
rather than Apple," Ross Rubin, executive director of industry analysis
for NPD, said in a statement. "The HTC EVO 4G, Motorola Droid X, and
other new high-end Android devices have been gaining momentum at
carriers that traditionally have been strong RIM distributors, and the
recent introduction of the BlackBerry Torch has done little to stem the
tide."

MORE: <http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2371865,00.asp>

[John Navas]

Android soared in Gartner's 3Q smartphone report to a 25.5 percent,
second-place-worldwide share, up from 17.2 percent last quarter.
Meanwhile, Android phones came out tops in Consumer Reports' latest
quality rankings, and also held their own with the iPhone and BlackBerry
phones in a SquareTrade study on smartphone reliability.

MORE:
<http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Gartner-3Q-2010-plus-Consumer-Reports-and-SquareTrade-studies/>

[John Navas]

Analysis: Why the omissions in Microsoft's last-to-the-stage phone is
bad news for the company, and the remaining glimmer of hope.

MORE:
<http://www.pcworld.com/article/210522/windows_phone_7_microsofts_disaster.html>

[Todd Allcock]

Post by John Navas
Analysis: Why the omissions in Microsoft's last-to-the-stage phone is
bad news for the company, and the remaining glimmer of hope.

<http://www.pcworld.com/article/210522/windows_phone_7_microsofts_disaster
.html

The irony in Gruman's analysis is that on the one hand he bashes WP7 for
being less secure than prior iterations of Windows Mobile, then on the
other discusses the adoption of the iPhone and Android in the enterprise.

The iPhone and Android aren't making headway onto coprporate networks
because they're secure, it's because corporations have loosened their
security to allow employees to bring their own phones and lessen
corporate infrastructure costs. If the employees really want WP7
devices, it's trival to allow them without too much of a compromise to
security- the company needs to allow simple 4-digit numeric PINs rather
than complex alphanumeric, and erasure of lost/stolen devices is handled
via a web interface rather than directly from the Exchange server. Of
course not every company will be willing to make such compromises, but
those are the same companies who are issuing company-supplied Blackberries,
and not allowing employees "rogue" iPhone and Android devices on the
network anyway.

There's a whole lot that bugs me about the iPhonesque closed ecosystem,
hidden filesystem, and sandboxed apps of Windows Phone 7, but the UI is
nothing short of fantastic, the media features parallel the iPhone's (an
arena Android is particularly weak,) and the Office integration, while
weak compared to prior Windows Mobile versions, beats the simple included
viewers of competing phones.
It's a little too locked down for my tastes, but I've been having a heck
of a time playing with it these last few weeks. For a Microsoft 1.0
product it's pretty impressive, and I'm looking forward to feature
additions and updates.

[John Navas]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:18:29 -0700, in

Post by Todd Allcock
There's a whole lot that bugs me about the iPhonesque closed ecosystem,
hidden filesystem, and sandboxed apps of Windows Phone 7, but the UI is
nothing short of fantastic, the media features parallel the iPhone's (an
arena Android is particularly weak,) and the Office integration, while
weak compared to prior Windows Mobile versions, beats the simple included
viewers of competing phones.

The media features of my Nexus One running Froyo are more than good
enough for my purposes. I've now looked at Windows Phone 7, and I'm not
all that impressed by the UI, and software fit and finish could be
better. I'm sticking with my excellent Nexus One.

Segue to earlier discussions...

Re iPhone vs Android:

Helped a friend on Gmail upgrade to a new iPhone 4. My help was needed
because it didn't "just work", and because the Apple Store wasn't much
help. Android Google cloud sync would have been so much easier. Friend
is disappointed in the lack of free Google Maps or equivalent app.

Had another friend switch from BlackBerry to Android.
Considered iPhone 4 on AT&T, but preferred Samsung Galaxy S on T-Mobile.

Re Microsoft cloud computing:

Thanks for the tip on Windows Live Mesh. I'm now using it to
automatically keep critical files on my Windows 7 notebook backed up.
Just wish it could share with Android, a glaring gap.

[Fred]

Post by Todd Allcock
It's a little too locked down for my tastes, but I've been having a heck
of a time playing with it these last few weeks. For a Microsoft 1.0
product it's pretty impressive, and I'm looking forward to feature
additions and updates.

Thanks for the report, Todd. Most interesting, and objective, as usual.

I think the lock down is because we are not the customers for the phones,
the carriers are and they DEMAND lock down so they can sell us apps or
get kickbacks from app stores of the manufacturers, which I'm sure is
going on.

Media companies also want it locked down or they may refuse to allow it
access to their media, another reason it's locked down. The computer
companies seem to want to be media stores for books/movies/etc., so that
will require the cooperation of the copyright holders they used to tell
to piss off. They can't do that any more with the new business models.

Same old sellphone bullshit...user locked out of everything to prevent
him from using his own stuff and being in control of the carrier's
device....

[John Navas]

The most dramatic aspect of the smartphone market in the second half of
2010 has been the reinvention of Samsung. Samsung's Galaxy S has shipped
7 million units and has set targets of 20 million for this year – plus
one million tablets.

Always a powerhouse in mass market handsets and feature-packed media
phones, the Korean giant was still the ugly duckling of open OS
smartphones. But the success of its Galaxy S Android range, and to a
lesser extent the Wave, which runs its own bada OS, have turned it into
a swan that is giving Apple a run for its money in terms of mobile
allure – and aims to have the same effect in tablets.

Samsung is targeting over 40m unit sales in this category next year,
according to mobile division chief Shin Jong-kyun. He told the Nikkei
business daily that Samsung is targeting 20m smartphone sales worldwide
this year and double that figure in 2011. ...

MORE:
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/14/samsung_smartphones_to_hit_android_rivals_hard/>

[John Navas]

MORE:
<http://voices.washingtonpost.com/posttech/2010/10/the_federal_communications_com_5.html?hpid=topnews>

[John Navas]

MORE:
<http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/is-this-sonys-rumored-playstation-smartphone/?news=123>

[Justin]

Post by John Navas
Also boots Linux from the No. 3 spot in OS usage online

This must be based on clients then

Post by John Navas
Computerworld - Apple's iOS mobile operating system is now the
third-most popular platform on the Internet, with a share nearly six
times larger than Android's, a Web measurement company said Wednesday.

Only nearly 6 times larger with 3 and a half years more time to make
the usage that high?

Android hasn't really even been that big for a year yet and look at how
it's coming on strong

[John Navas]

Verizon is hard at work trying to get its first Long Term Evolution
(LTE) high-speed network online late this year, but MetroPCS will beat
Verizon according to reports that the MetroPCS LTE network will go live
in September. MetroPCS is the fifth-largest operator in the U.S., and a
Samsung executive let slip that the MetroPCS LTE network would light up
Dallas and Las Vegas next month.

The Verizon LTE network may go live in November, but the carrier has
indicated the first LTE-capable smartphone won’t appear on the network
until next year. Samsung has stated that MetroPCS will make the Samsung
Craft phone available in September alongside the launch of the LTE
network. The Craft is thought to be a smartphone with sliding QWERTY
keyboard, and steps down to CDMA when LTE is not available.

MORE: <http://gigaom.com/2010/08/27/metropcs-to-win-u-s-race-to-lte/>

[Steve Sobol]

In article <***@4ax.com>, spamfilter1
@navasgroup.com says...

Post by John Navas
Verizon is hard at work trying to get its first Long Term Evolution
(LTE) high-speed network online late this year, but MetroPCS will beat
Verizon according to reports that the MetroPCS LTE network will go live
in September. MetroPCS is the fifth-largest operator in the U.S., and a
Samsung executive let slip that the MetroPCS LTE network would light up
Dallas and Las Vegas next month.

This would make sense, since MetroPCS has a much smaller network. OF
COURSE they're going to be able to roll out LTE more quickly.

I have friends in Vegas. It's a 2 1/2 hour drive. I really ought to buy
myself a MetroPCS LTE phone (which I could also use here, albeit not on
a 4G network) and drive up there next year.

[SMS]

Post by Steve Sobol
@navasgroup.com says...

Post by John Navas
Verizon is hard at work trying to get its first Long Term Evolution
(LTE) high-speed network online late this year, but MetroPCS will beat
Verizon according to reports that the MetroPCS LTE network will go live
in September. MetroPCS is the fifth-largest operator in the U.S., and a
Samsung executive let slip that the MetroPCS LTE network would light up
Dallas and Las Vegas next month.

This would make sense, since MetroPCS has a much smaller network. OF
COURSE they're going to be able to roll out LTE more quickly.
I have friends in Vegas. It's a 2 1/2 hour drive. I really ought to buy
myself a MetroPCS LTE phone (which I could also use here, albeit not on
a 4G network) and drive up there next year.

Ironically, with the addition of paid off-network roaming, MetroPCS
isn't as useless of a carrier as it used to be.

MetroPCS now has coverage which is much better than some other carriers
like Virgin Mobile and T-Mobile, neither of which allow off-network
roaming on their bigger rivals. I included them in the map picture at
"Loading Image...".

Alas, MetroPCS probably suffers from the same problem as other CDMA
carriers, they'll latch on to a weak PCS signal from their own tower and
prevent roaming (even though it's not free) on other CDMA carriers, but
the addition of so much roaming at least makes them a viable choice.


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[John Navas]

On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:02:21 -0700, in

Post by SMS
Alas, MetroPCS probably suffers from the same problem as other CDMA
carriers, they'll latch on to a weak PCS signal from their own tower and
prevent roaming (even though it's not free) on other CDMA carriers, but
the addition of so much roaming at least makes them a viable choice.

Wrong again(tm): That's not how it works. It will actually select an
allowed roaming partner if the home network signal is unusable.

Post by SMS
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[silly, rude change reversed]

[Robin Banks]

The extra pins in ExtUSB are only for (analog) audio and video.

How so? I see no difference in what my HTC Hero can do connected to my
computer with the ExtUSB or a regular MiniUSB cable.

Caveat: Standard Mini USB connectors, especially cheap ones, don't fit
as snugly and securely in HTC ExtUSB sockets as ExtUSB connectors.

Sorry John, but I gotta call BS on that statement. My ExtUSB plug wobbles
around 10 times more than my "cables to go" MiniUSB plug does.

[Todd Allcock]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:09:36 -0700, John Navas

The extra pins in ExtUSB are only for (analog) audio and video.

How so? I see no difference in what my HTC Hero can do connected to my
computer with the ExtUSB or a regular MiniUSB cable.

You wouldn't see any difference when plugging it into a computer.
Typically HTC used (uses?) their extUSB connector on devices without a
"real" 3.5mm headphone jack. The device's headphones would have a extUSB
plug to connect to analog L/R audio and microphone, and the AV cable to
connect to a monitor or TV (if your device supports it) would use the
extUSB plug for video and L/R audio.

My AT&T Tilt (HTC TyTn II) and T-Mo Dash (HTC Excalibur) used extUSB, and
I have a bunch of adaptors to plug standard 3.5mm headphones into the
extUSB jack.

Long story short, the extUSB idea is a complete PITA! ;)

[Robin Banks]

Post by Todd Allcock

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:09:36 -0700, John Navas

The extra pins in ExtUSB are only for (analog) audio and video.

How so? I see no difference in what my HTC Hero can do connected to my
computer with the ExtUSB or a regular MiniUSB cable.

You wouldn't see any difference when plugging it into a computer.
Typically HTC used (uses?) their extUSB connector on devices without a
"real" 3.5mm headphone jack.

Ahh, ok. My Hero has a headphone jack.

Post by Todd Allcock
and the AV cable to connect to a monitor or TV (if your device supports it) would use the
extUSB plug for video and L/R audio.

Hmm, not sure the Sprint Hero will do that. If it does, I've never heard
about it before. I don't really need much in the way of outputs anyway. I
mainly use my Motorola T505 to bluetooth my music (stored on my Hero) to my
car stereo. I can't imagine I'd want to output video from my phone to a TV.

Post by Todd Allcock
Long story short, the extUSB idea is a complete PITA! ;)

I'd have to agree. Both the ExtUSB cables I got from HTC are falling apart.
The cable seems to pull out of the ExtUSB end quite easily. For now, I'll
just stick wth a regular Micro USB cable for my needs.

[SMS]

Post by Robin Banks
I'd have to agree. Both the ExtUSB cables I got from HTC are falling apart.
The cable seems to pull out of the ExtUSB end quite easily. For now, I'll
just stick wth a regular Micro USB cable for my needs.

Mini-USB, not Micro-USB for the extUSB jack. That thing is rather a pain
in the butt. On one vehicle without Bluetooth I tried using the adapter
that provides a standard headphone jack and after every song the phone
would hang until I removed and replaced the connector. Thank goodness
HTC has moved to a real headphone jack.

[Robin Banks]

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Post by Robin Banks
I'd have to agree. Both the ExtUSB cables I got from HTC are falling apart.
The cable seems to pull out of the ExtUSB end quite easily. For now, I'll
just stick wth a regular Micro USB cable for my needs.

Mini-USB, not Micro-USB for the extUSB jack

Yeah, I meant Mini, but I guess I was having a brain fart while typing. ;-)